Are YAML and WEC incompatible?

Whilst the look of the WEC templates is very refined and modern, I do wish that all the dual column templates had a triple column version. There is a functional attractiveness about the variety of shapes and configurations of YAML which I wonder if WEC could replicate albeit using a different method.

I have done google searches using these two terms but there is little information on how they could be married. I note that one person (Manfred Hungerland)had tried YAML but was now switching to WEC in preference. Other than that, nobody seems to have attempted to use the two together.

I have a test site using the latest Typo3-YAML combination. I have downloaded from the repository the WEC config and WEC constants extensions. Although it is easy to edit the WEC constants, the changes do not manifest in the front end (e.g., in the footer).

I appreciate that support could not be given here for installations such as the one that I have described but I wonder if anyone else has tried to get the two to work together or if anyone can explain why they are unlikely to or that I am making some kind of category mistake - like comparing apples and oranges.

I am interested in what the thoughts of users and developers might be on this issue. I shall probably ask the same type of question in the YAML forum but I thought I would begin by asking the question where I feel more at home, so to speak

Calum

Hi Calumn

Please forget about yaml and use YUI instead .

+1 NO FEE as it is free
+2 The company/community of YUI ia as great as TYPO3 and it is an OPEN Community
+3 T3NET the ones developing YAML for templavoila are NOT paying developers and one already went to court to get his money. We should NOT support such agencies! And it is a BUSINESS Company!!! The Templates are not compatible as they are using other field_names ;-)
TIP If you wanna use YAML simply use the ORIGINAL one and not the one from T3Net - much cheaper and more flexible and you don't have to worry to pay your "doubled so high" fees to 2 different people.

I have already made about 1400 YUI Templates times 5 as they have 5 width and will upload the base templates I guess next week. Then you have only 1 CSS for ALL over 6000 different column and width possibilities.

If WEC would be interested please let me know. I developed them for T3Pack which is 100% compatiblewith WEC Templates vice vers. even T3Pack is using a more logical structure like WEC.

YUI will speed up your pageload as you can load the centralized CSS direct from the YUI site which means ifou had already loaded a page before usoing this CSSit won't load anymore!!!

Another FINE Package is T3S - where I am now try to continue the development, if you or anybody else from WEC would like to join please let know. Also here the CSS is much better then the one from YAML and much more flexible. One goal will be to pack WEC (the religious package) and another to pack T3Pack (the world package, inspired by my work at UNESCO Bangkok) into T3S to offer even different packages for our WEC/T3Pack Customers.

If you have any further questions please contact me

Andi

Andi,
Thanks for your interesting response. In addition, I have received an email response from someone else who seemed to be looking for the same kind of information as I am. Since Thursday, I have been attending a major church conference so have not had the time to assess what my response should be.

I can tell you that after reading your post, I went to have a look at several YUI examples. These are useful tools but it will take me a long time to learn how-to implement even the simplest of them. The templating system is something which I have not really mastered.

I know how to write basic html templates (using divs and css) but have not yet taken the time to sit down and write one with the correct hookups (or whatever they are called) for typo3. I have the feeling that I have a lot to learn before I can progress

I have some idea of how to go about things but I know it will take time.


I will be interested in having a look at these in due course.

As for YAML and WEC, I raised the question in the YAML forum. My understanding is that they consider the products not to be designed to work together. I imagine that were it simple to make them do so, they would have offered me some suggestion as to how it might be done. Thus, there seems to be little prospect of pursuing that direction of thinking.

I am grateful to you for telling me about YUI and I look forward to researching it further.

I have noted what you say about T3S and will look it into that further later.
I shall be away for the first half of next week.

Thanks,
Calum

Hi Calum

You are absolutly right
Dieter Bunkerd and Detlef Schaebel who are the head of T3Net visited me here at Phuket last year for some days and I introduced them also to our T3Pack and of course the WEC-Starter Package. It is actually quite simple to make them compatible with WEC but they want to keep things seperated and also don't want to deal with churches I guess at all.

But never mind let them do there stuff and let US Christians do the other really needed community part in creating an understandable CSS Framework based on YUI. Actually you don't need to understand much of the YUI stuff when you use the T3Pack Templates I will hopefully review in some days (I hope I haveenough times) and then upload them to TER.

Together with the mapping manager they are a very usefull tool and of course 100% compatible with all WEC Templates. Actually my idea would be the following and perhaps WEC in general could thing about this too.

I would like to see YUI as the basic construct in TYPO3 - why?
1. it is free and open source
2. it is easy to understand and you only need to learn it once :-)
3. together with the Mapping Manager it is compatible with WEC/T3Pack and even Yaml (for those you still want to use it together with our templates)
4. The upcoming release will offer the YUI standard templates 1435 Template Variations * 5 width * 2 versions - while one of the width is custom width (which means endless versions of widths)

All of those 14350 Template Variations work with only ONE standardised CSS!!! Yep you read it the right way. All those templates have 1,2,3,4,5 column Sidebar+1, SB+2, SB+3, SB+4 Variations with a separate top (above head), head, main, footer, bottom (below footer) sections. In other words we would be able to modularise all these parts separately :-) which would give us endless flexibility to switch i.e. only header styles or footer styles. and so on.

There is one Version with rectancled columns and another with rounded corners i.e. http://www.abs-mail.com (Will be the biggest T3Pack-YUI installation in the next years and already working with the YUI template - Check source-code) Each of these rounded/rectangled parts can be colored in a different color with only very few CSS entries. At the moment this is still done in an additional custom CSS file but the goal is to integrate this into the backend so that people can choose i.e. colors for there individual coloms via a colorchooser and the value gets integrated into the CSS automatically. Many people don't know much about CSS so they need some tools which will help them to manage simple but powerful customizations by themselves.

Additional to those major CSS I would like to have all Extensions using the YUI CSS. WHY?
If every extension developer would need to include a YUI Template for his extension we won't have anymmore all these problems with different and often conflicting CSS values. Also the CSS itselv would be reduced tremendously! No more x-times CSS values at x-times different places. ;-)

Current state:
The 14350 Templates are ready to use in their Basic Version (that's the version without the futuristc YUI Layout styles)
another 14350 Templates including all these YUI Layoutstyles will follow. With them it will be possible to reuse one YUI even in different applications. i.e. You have a wordpress blog and TYPO3 and an external shop but all would use the same ONE Major and each one a very small separate CSS-file :-)

All this is possible with YUI and the YUI Framework (AJAX) itself.

Future development:
At the moement I am still facing some small problems to find a good way to get the YAHOO YUI general CSS Files and the custom CSS combined so that we can still update the extensions when necessary without remapping them in TemplaVoila. Now they are placed in Template containers and the CSS is placed in a separate extension. The idea behind this is to have the Template Conainers only mapped once.

Another problem is still the huge amount of variations and at the moment Templa Voila is unfortunately not offering useful categories to manage them. So we would need an extensions which extends TemplVoila to manage all those 14350 Variations and even best it would be nice if it could even manage the different parts and combinations of it.
>>> Help would be really appreciated

I would like to put all this effort under WEC - but on the other hand I also have to earn my living with the stuff I am doing and this makes things a bit more complicated. In other words doing things for free won't feed you! Perhaps there is a chance while WEC tries to extend there efforts in IT-for churches to integrate our TEAM3 (like we call us) into the global WEC plans - we could serve you with lots of templates, and especially also asian customisations (Translation of Material into all asian languages) Sponsorships would be appreciated to finance our efforts for WEC.

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OK Calumn, was perhaps a lot I wrote here but I guess it is good to know what we are trying to achieve.

Helpers which would be interested in participating in this development are invited to drop us a note - mentioning what parts they could help. (programming, designing, converting, translating, donating, ...)

Thanks a lot
Andi
(TEAM3 - at LisAndi Co. Ltd.)

Hi
since a few day i try to have a look at http://www.t3pack.org.
Is the Site offline?

Shalom
Manfred

Hi Manfred

Sorry but I was so busy and still am a bit with all setting up the UNESCO Websites here in Bangkok that I am onlyslowly recovering to setup my own sites. The Backend is already working ;-)

Ok here a link to a site working with the T3Pack_yui templates (check the sourcecode)
It will be a 30 domain multilingual multidomain website http://www.abs-galleries.com/

Also this site is working with the T3Pack modules which I will start uploading in the next weeks to TER. Yesterday I uploaded the yui html templates for

750px, 750pxrounded corner, 950px, 950pxrounded corner, 974px and 974pxrounded corner. Each 287 Variations from 1 Column to 5 Column settings.

The CSS for those Templates is stored in abcyuicss (it is beta and still needs some improvements, also the mapped SQL from all 10*287 Templates and those from WEC and Rasi will be in one pack. I still need to do this job for the 100% and the custom yui variations.

I uploaded also the abcdam (a group of dam extensions to setup dam like we did at UNESCO so you really get a fully featured dam. Those extensions are devided in two parts. as abcdam (for also GLOBAL install) and abcdamlocal (for extensions which can only be installed locally.) All abc extensions will work globally so that you can reuse them on many sites with only one source.

I hope to get t3pack running in the next two weeks also in frontend. Praise god I get time - enough time and no more other non TYPO3 stuff to do. If you wantoe info contact me directly and we can exchange skype/gooletalk and so on and have a chat! would be nice.

God bless you
Andi